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Sniper 2:17 Thu Feb 5
Rangers HAVE to play Geordie loanees when fit

so when is 3rd party interference not third party interference then? Mike Ashley must know more than the fools in charge of us!



Rangers manager Kenny McDowall claims he has been told by the club that the five loan signings made from Newcastle must be in his starting XI if fit.
Midfielders Gael Bigirimana and Haris Vuckic and defenders Kevin Mbabu, Remie Streete and Shane Ferguson joined from the Premier League side on Monday.
Their parent club are owned by Rangers shareholder Mike Ashley.
McDowall says chief executive Derek Llambias and football board chairman Sandy Easdale told him the news.
Llambias, who was previously chief executive at Newcastle, is one of two Ashley appointments to the Rangers board alongside finance director Barry Leach.

Northern Ireland international Shane Ferguson will offer Rangers options at left-back or on the left wing
Interim manager McDowall, who took over from Ally McCoist when he was placed on gardening leave on 19 January, recently handed in his notice to resign.
He is now working a 12-month notice period.
"I have handed in my notice and have told the guys I am happy to take the team. So I am not going to complain," McDowall said.
"I will carry out the instructions that they give me and do my best. I have a job to do and I am happy to do it.
"The boys have come up to play and they will play. That's just how it is."
Ashley, who owns 8.92% of the Ibrox outfit, provided them with a £10m loan in January to ensure they stay in business.
While £5m was available as immediate working capital, the influx of cash was also used to repay a £3m loan made by the Newcastle United owner last year.
Background
What does Mike Ashley's £10m loan mean for Rangers?
In return, Ashley got security over the Scottish Championship club's Murray Park training ground, registered trademarks and other properties.
Rangers also gave him, for the duration of the loan, a further 26% of shares in Rangers Retail Limited, 49% of which was already owned by the Sports Direct owner.
The Scottish Football Association has called Rangers and Ashley to March hearings about his dual interests in the clubs, having already blocked his desire to increase his Ibrox shareholding.
Three Newcastle players - Bigirimana, Vuckic and Streete - could make their first appearances when Rangers play Raith Rovers on Sunday.
The Scottish Cup fifth-round match at Ibrox will be shown live on BBC One Scotland.
Ferguson and Mbabu are expected to arrive in Glasgow in the next few weeks after recovering from injuries.
Rangers trail Hearts by 16 points in the race for the Scottish Championship title and the automatic promotion place that comes with it.

WorldCupWilly 9:04 Mon Feb 9
Re: Rangers HAVE to play Geordie loanees when fit

And look what happens after one of the loanee's scored yesterday for Rangers:

http://i62.tinypic.com/96xbfn.jpg

On The Ball 8:23 Mon Feb 9
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They were never going to do it after the manager revealed it.

stewie griffin 12:11 Mon Feb 9
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Two of these players played in yesterday's game.

On The Ball 12:10 Mon Feb 9
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Depends if the people in charge at the Italian Club insisted they play them - and how public that demand was made.

The issue here is more about the ownership of the two Clubs and the manager's honesty (and obvious annoyance, hence revealing what would otherwise have been kept secret). Obviously some Clubs will demand their player gets played, but it's not always going to be the case that they are - like in the Rossi example below (and a million others, I'm sure).

This is different in that the owner of one Club has the other over a barrel, and his people are running that club. It doesn't take a genius to work out what's going on.

Full Claret Jacket 11:24 Mon Feb 9
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Is it any different to what went on at Watford a couple of seasons back where they had all those Italian loanees?

tnb 10:55 Mon Feb 9
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Clubs will often seek assurances when loaning players out as to how often they will play, even in what position - with an eye either on developing youngsters or putting unwanted players in the 'shop window'. It's been the case for years - as someone else said, Ferguson recalled Giuseppe Rossi from Newcastle a while back because they weren't upholding their end of the deal - and if you remember, there were rumours we had made a similar promise to Liverpool as regards Neil Mellor; I remember driving back and listening to David Connolly's interview having come on to score the winner, where he stated that we'd only picked up Mellor from a service station on the way to the ground but he'd been told he had to start ahead of Connolly no matter what. Roeder denied it in his infamous 'angry ant' response, and I don't know if it was true or not, but the fact it was raised as a possibility and there wasn't an instant enquiry shows it happens, and it breaks no rules.

Whether clubs actually enforce this request is probably down to the individual clubs and their circumstances - ie if we were loaning out Burke we might keep a close eye so he gets games to help him progress, but while we may for example have said the same when loaning out Maiga with a view to enticing a buyer, I doubt we would really be that bothered. But even in terms of goodwill I suspect that's enough sometimes - you want to cultivate a good relationship with a team higher than you that has a good crop of youngsters for example,as you'd quite like another one after the current loan expires or the next time you need cover.

I'd be amazed if it'd actually written into the contracts with any kind of fine/ automatic recall structure. But even if it was, as it would just be the official listing of a practice that has been openly going on for years, I don't see it would be a problem necessarily. The only potential complication here is the odd situation of Ashley being the majority owner of both clubs, but so what? The only problem I can see is IF these requirements have been written into the contracts and it could then be proved (how?) that Ashley would not have agreed to them if he was simply the owner of Rangers, ie he hasn't been acting in their best interests.

Either way it's nowhere near being 3rd party ownership. It's 2nd party ownership really - they play for one club while being owned by another, as with any loan. 3rd party ownership is about a 3rd party intervening in transfers/ loans between 2 parties - the clubs - and profiting from undue influence on that process and/or taking a much larger cut than a normal agent would because they own part of the player's registration, which in countries that have outlawed 3rd party ownership is something that should only ever be held and transferred fully from 1 club to another at a time.

I've always felt that the 'hope against hope' with Tevez and Mascherano was that Joorabachian would be successful in buying the club - rather quickly - and we could then argue that he wasn't a 3rd party but simply an owner financing a deal. It would have been nonsense, but I suspect that was the idea.

Hermit Road 9:44 Thu Feb 5
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This is third party interference no doubt about it and will not be allowed under the rules. You won't find it in a contract for that reason because the contracts have to be ratified by the FA involved. It's third party interference because there is a third party dictating the team that a club should field. The other two parties being the player and Rangers.

However common it may or may not be, and I suspect it isn't common at all, it is almost certainly against the rules.

Nicey 9:38 Thu Feb 5
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Johnson is bang on the money here.

I think some claret coloured knickers are getting in a twist.

I'd imagine most clubs loan players to other clubs and tell that club to play them otherwise watts the point? The recipient club will also know the parent club will recall them if they are sitting in their stiffs.

I'm not sure I can see anything where an agent owns the player and can transfer him at anytime regardless of the clubs wishes but we are told that it is exactly the same.

Over to you to get yourself worked up into a tiz x

13 Brentford Rd 8:48 Thu Feb 5
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Eh Bertie?

bertie 8:42 Thu Feb 5
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Newcastle have form for this on transfers too. They did they same to us when we signed Nolan. The only reason the cunt plays.

Far Cough 6:38 Thu Feb 5
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Fifth, I think the fact that Ashley has a share in Rangers is cause for concern, seeing as he already owns Newcastle?

Fifth Column 6:31 Thu Feb 5
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It's not a third party is it? They are owned by Newcastle and loaned to Rangers. Someone on the Rangers board is saying they have to play. There is no "third party" involved. Third party means someone outside the club.

Surely?

On The Ball 6:30 Thu Feb 5
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goose - for now.

i-Ron 6:26 Thu Feb 5
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There's worse goings on at Charlton than this.

Nobody gives a fuck though.

goose 6:20 Thu Feb 5
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maybe he is, but without proof theres no case to answer.

maybe they just went about it in a cleverer way than us.

CamHam 6:12 Thu Feb 5
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So I have a little read and immediately see nym defending it. If this had been West Ham he'd be caning the club.

What an odd fellow. He MUST be Spurs, Shirley?

Far Cough 6:04 Thu Feb 5
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Could you imagine if that was us instead of Ashley, we would already have been deducted points, fined 50 million quid and told to pay compo to Sheffield United for 85 million

AKA ERNIE 6:00 Thu Feb 5
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Goose tbh mate i couldnt give a fuck who told him but no doubt its ashley behind it.

goose 5:56 Thu Feb 5
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Ernie, told by his own board. They can tell him whatever they want to.
The newcastle board havent told him anything.

AKA ERNIE 5:54 Thu Feb 5
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Rangers manager said hes been told he has to play them.
Surely thats proof enough.

Johnson 5:25 Thu Feb 5
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I haven't denies anything, I'm asking you and EggBERK to show how you know Newcastle are FORCING Rangers to play the players.

He's claimed it and you seem to be backing him up, yet neither of you have anything to go on.

And taking your most recent change of goalposts into account, if Ashley does basically run both of anything it is HIM personally making this happen, not Newcastle.

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